google
yahoo
bing

THE CORE

The Mission of F&V

Core principles:

Henry Droop on the "moderate non-partisan section"

Madison on "dangers from abroad" and "the fetters... on liberty"

FRUITS: Support your local, organic growers; and, plant vines and fig trees and pomegranates for the generations to come...

VOTES: For democratization and full representation, for environmental sustainability, social justice, and peace, always sincerely...

Your Orchardist
PRESERVED FRUIT
orchard blocks
  • All
  • FRUITS
  • VOTES
  • wide open spaces
  • 21 October 2007

    Planted by MSS
    Planted in: Poland, VOTES

    In addition to Switzerland, today will also see general parliamentary elections in Poland. These elections were called early when the governing coalition, in power since shortly after the elections of September, 2005, collapsed.

    Given the outcome of Poland’s parliamentary and presidential elections of 2005–the first year in which both institutions had been elected in close proximity–Poland has not only the dual executive that defines its semi-presidential regime type, but a twin executive.

    Today’s election is expected to be close. It is by no means certain that the party of the Kaczynski twins, the conservative-nationalist Law and Justice (PiS), can retain the premiership. The other main contender is the Civic Platform (CO), usually described as a “liberal” (in the European sense) party. The Polish party system is highly fragmented. In 2005, the PiS was the largest party with 27% of the vote and 155 of the 460 seats. The PO was second with 24.1% and 133. The next largest parties had around 11%. The electoral system is districted open-list PR (in 40 districts).

    Under Poland’s constitution, the presidency is one of the most powerful in (non-XSSR) Europe–for instance it has a veto that needs 3/5 to overrideaa –but the president’s ability to appoint the cabinet is limited. The president has discretion to nominate a candidate to be premier, and here’s betting he will choose his twin brother. However, the premier cannot take office until he and the proposed cabinet obtain a vote of investiture (and, of course, once appointed, the cabinet depends on the ongoing confidence of the lower house).

    EuroTrib will be a good place to follow the elections and the results, as they come in.
    a

    1. I mistakenly wrote 2/3 initially.aaa

    a

    Propagation:


    Outside The Beltway | OTB grafted Polish Opposition Wins...

    8 ideas sprouting

    1. This website seems pretty good for following the election as well:

      http://beatroot.blogspot.com/

      Seed planted by Chris B — 21 October 2007 @ 20:23

    2. I thought the veto was set at 3/5 for Poland. I could be wrong though. A grand coaltion of more than 60 percent can make that veto meaningless.

      Seed planted by Suaprazzodi — 22 October 2007 @ 04:08

    3. 3/5 it is, see article 122.5 of the Polish Constitution (1997).

      Seed planted by Bancki — 22 October 2007 @ 10:41

    4. Polish Opposition Wins…

      The chief opposition party has won a plurality in Poland’s parliamentary elections but is apparently short of an outright victory.
      Voters appeared to have ousted the prime minister, one half of Poland’s wonder-twin team, in parliamentary electi…

      Scion grafted by Outside The Beltway | OTB — 22 October 2007 @ 11:05

    5. Of course, a grand coalition would by definition include the PiS, so the veto presumably would not be exercised much.

      If there were a 60% opposition coalition (no PiS participation), then it would neutralize the veto.

      The PO seems to have won over 200 seats, the PiS 160-some. So a big victory for PO, but can it build a coalition big enough to clear 60% without PiS? The three parties other than PiS would get them there (apparently), but I am unsure if all three of them would join a coalition.

      Seed planted by MSS — 22 October 2007 @ 11:53

    6. That’ll larn Jaroslaw not to mock the city walls his brother built, by jumping over them.

      Seed planted by Tom Round — 22 October 2007 @ 19:22

    7. The Polish senate is elected by multimember plurality ‘block vote’ (rare in Europe). A voter has as many votes as there are seats in his constituency (I assume, is this correct?). In such a case I would expect every major party to nominate as many candidates as there are seats in that constituency, as many as a voter in that constituency has votes.

      But this is not the case. In fact, in most cases, parties nominate fewer candidates. The two biggest parties PiS and PO nominated candidates in every constituency (40), but they nominated only 87 and 85 candidates, while there are 100 seats for grab.

      Has someone an idea why? Do Polish voters generally spread their votes over candidates of different parties? Or is my assumption wrong and is the system not a classical implementation of multimember plurality ‘block vote’?

      Seed planted by Bancki — 23 October 2007 @ 09:00

    8. Yes, MNTV (so-called block vote) for Polish Senate. Mostly 2-seat districts, if I recall correctly. (I hope someone can confirm.)

      It is usually the case in such systems that voters don’t cast their full number of votes, or do not cast all for candidates of the same party–or so it seems. (I am not aware of systematic research on the question.) So it makes sense that parties often would not nominate a full slate, for fear of spreading their votes too thin. (Parties could also nominate less than their full entitlement for reasons related to the interparty dimension, in addition to the intraparty reasons already mentioned here: It could be part of electoral agreements with potential coalition partners. However, I rather doubt that was the case in this Polish election.)

      MNTV is really more like SNTV or limited vote, in its effects, than it is like a winner-take-all system, which is why I think the term “block vote” is misleading.

      Previous threads on MNTV can be found in the orchard blocks on “Philippines, “Palestinian Territories,” and, naturally, “SNTV/MNTV” (all linked on the left sidebar)–notably in the various comment threads.

      (Palestine was, of course, somewhat an exception to the rule noted above” Hamas voters, in particular, tended to cast the full number of votes and for only Hamas candidates. They did so more than Fatah voters, and that is part of the reason why Hamas had such a large manufactured majority. But even there, even a cursory look at the data suggests there was some fall-off, whereby significant numbers of voters did not complete the full ballot.)

      Seed planted by MSS — 23 October 2007 @ 17:02

    RSS feed for comments on this post.

    TrackBacks

    To graft a scion to this planting, please use the following URL:
    http://fruitsandvotes.com/blog/wp-trackback.php?p=1406
    (Non-MT bloggers click here to send pings.)

    Grafted scions that are not compatible with this planting's stock will die or be pruned out by the Orchardist.

    About the comment form

    Please note that the name you enter below and the first several words of your comment will appear on the right sidebar of the blog's front page, under "Propagation." New propagators might want to look at the comment policy.

    Please do not enter long URLs into the seedbed. Either mark them up using html hyperlinks or convert them to a "tiny URL." Thank you!

    Sorry, this soil has been over-planted.

    FRUIT FEEDS
    PROPAGATION
    Recent comments.

  • Brown the Blunt (11)
    • Alan: If one steps back a minute from what we ‘knowR 17; about the separation of powers, is there any substantive reason the US...
    • Ed: I completely agree that combining the functions of head of state and head of government is a bad idea and results in too much deferrence paid...
    • Alan: @Ed @538 There are examples. The President of South Africa not only faces question time in the National Assembly but takes part in debates....
    • Alan: @Ed Contrary to the tourist brochures, Australia is one of the most urbanised societies on the planet. Until quite recently only in...
    • Ed: The 538 blog has a couple of good discussions on Brown’s proposal (today) and also why the US doesn’t have some version of question...
    • Ed: I am curious how Australia got the second most extreme two party system among large countries, after the US, while the UK, India, and Canada...
    • Alan: The AMS/MMP and STV/AV/IRV things are quite interesting. There seems to be a whole lot of reinventing the wheel in electoral reform.
    • Tom Round: Guy Rundle, Australian journalist (no, not the Governor of Tasmania), is attacking AV in Spiked (4 February 2010): ” How to ensure...
    • MSS: Antony Green’s essay is highly recommended for its overview of British electoral-refor m history. I especially like this nugget: In an...
    • Alan: Antony Green on the Brown referendum.
  • Australian election timing (4)
    • Alan: Chris That’s true, but his penchant for early elections meant that he only possessed triggers for relatively brief periods if he was...
    • Chris Curtis: Alan, John Howard had a double dissolution trigger on unfair dismissal laws, but never fired it or the actual gun!
    • Alan: Tom may correct me, but as far as I know, no government that ever held a double dissolution trigger has failed to fire it. That does not mean...
    • Alan: It will certainly be a double dissolution. The Rudd government is already in a position to wait upon Her Excellency. The government has a...
  • CROSS-POLLINATION

    FRUITS

    morn_blms_corralito.jpg

    The Fruit Blog (Fruit & fruit breeding)
    Daley's Fruit Tree Blog
    Orchards Forever
    The Orchard Keeper
    The Ethicurean
    The Jew and the Carrot
    Small farms ("real people & real food")
    Life begins at 30 (Farmers markets, etc.)
    Banana
    Festival of Trees
    Rare Fruit News Online
    Cloudforest Cafe


    VOTES

    bulgaria_protest copy

    Comparative democracy

    Psephos (Adam Carr's data archive)
    Electoral Panorama
    World Elections
    African Elections Database
    M. Herrera's Electoral Calendar
    Electoral Geography (Data archive)
    Michael Gallagher's data archive
    Election Finance (Blog, data archive)
    European Election Law News
    IFES
    Election Law
    VoteLaw
    Third Party Watch
    Ballot Access News

    Electoral and Political Reform

    The FairVote Blog (US)
    Make my vote count (UK)
    Wilf Day (Canada)
    democraticSPACE (Canada)
    Citizens Assembly Blog (dormant?)


    POLITOLOGY

    Blogs of political analysis

    PoliBlog
    Arms and Influence (dormant?)
    Political Science Weblog (abstracts)
    Frontloading HQ (Josh Putnam)
    FiveThirtyEight
    Vote View (Keith Poole)
    The Monkey Cage
    Political Arithmetik
    Polysigh
    Reflective Pundit
    Rustbelt Intellectual
    SixFifty (U.K.)
    Simon Jackman
    The semi-presidential one
    Josep Colomer
    Chapel Hill Treehouse (dormant)
    Political Behavior (dormant)
    The Democratic Piece
    Countries at the Crossroads (Freedom House blog)
    Jacob T. Levy

    REGIONAL ANALYSIS

    Canada

    Crawl Across the Ocean
    Idealistic Pragmatist
    Paulitics
    Pith and Substance

    Europe

    Centre for European Politics
    Dr Sean's Diary
    Euro Trib
    A Fistful of Euros

    Latin America

    Bloggings by boz
    Colombia: A PoliBlog Sideblog
    El Criador de Gorilas
    Pronto!
    Two Weeks Notice
    Central American Politics

    S.W. Asia & E. Mediterranean

    Informed Comment Global Affairs
    Prospects for Peace
    Swords and ploughshares
    Lisa Goldman
    Michael J. Totten

    New Zealand

    Kiwiblog
    No Right Turn

    OTHER SOCIAL SCIENCE BLOGS

    Crooked Timber
    Statistical Modeling
    Social Science Statistics
    Cold Spring Shops
    Marginal Revolution
    Brad DeLong
    Greg Mankiw

    GREEN LIVING (and voting)

    Greens for Greens
    Green Options
    Sustainability Blog
    TreeHugger
    Green Commons
    California Greening
    Philobiblon (UK)
    Prayingmantis (NZ)
    Meretz USA (Israel)

    JEWISH LIVING

    Ararat Scrolls
    The Jew and the Carrot
    Mah Rabu
    Baraita (dormant)
    Jewschool
    Davka
    Jewish Heritage Travel

    THE HOPYARD

    Beer Advocate
    Rate Beer
    Seen Through a Glass
    A Good Beer Blog
    Seven Pack Beer Blog
    Beer and Food
    Beer Culture

    THE BALLYARD

    6-4-2
    Halos Heaven
    Global Baseball
    Management by Baseball
    Sabernomics
    Baseball Musings
    Gaslamp Ball
    Beyond the Boxscore
    John Sickles

    THE RAILYARD

    Cold Spring Shops
    Rip Track
    Stephen Rees's blog

    SUN & MOON

    CURRENT MOON

    NEWS

    ABC

    BBC

    CBC

    Democracy Now!

    Deutsche Welle

    El Tiempo

    Guardian

    Haaretz

    Hindustan Times

    The Independent

    Irish Times

    NZ Stuff

    RFE/RL

    ORGANIZATIONS

    About/disclaimer

    California Rare Fruit Growers

    Center for Voting and Democracy

    Californians for Electoral Reform

    Society for American Baseball Research

    Link TV

    SCION EXCHANGE

    HARVESTS
    ORCHARD SERVICES

    F&V time: This blog's date function is so set as to start a new day at approximately local sunset. (Why, if we have "day" and "night," should a new "day" start in the middle of the night?)

    F&V Coordinates: A compass may be helpful for navigating the orchard--a Political Compass, that is.

    Your Orchardist's coordinates:

    • –3.88 Economic left
    • –6.26 Social libertarian
    ...approximately the location of The Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand and close to the ideological positions of Gandhi, Nelson Mandela, and Ralph Nader.

    Fruits & Votes encourages the flourishing of all democratic political viewpoints, respectfully presented.

    outlook repair software wordpress stats

    Powered by WordPress