THE CORE

Fruits & Votes is the Web-log of Matthew S. Shugart ("MSS"), Professor of Political Science, University of California, Davis.

Perspectives on electoral systems, constitutional design, and policy around the world, based primarily on my research interests.

Also experiences with growing many varieties of fruit (always organic) and other personal interests. Please see the Mission Statement for more. (There is also an explanation of the banner.)

Other "planters" have been invited to contribute. Please check the "Planted by" line to see the author of the post you are reading.

Join the conversation. Comments are always open. Except, that is, when Word Press mysteriously shuts them down, which happens with distressing frequency.

Core principles:

Henry Droop on the "moderate non-partisan section"

Madison on "dangers from abroad" and "the fetters... on liberty"

The Head Orchardist's other sites:

PRESERVED FRUIT
orchard blocks
  • All
  • FRUITS
  • VOTES
  • wide open spaces
  • 23 April 2006

    Planted by MSS
    Planted in: Hungary; Mixed-member; VOTES

    Today Hungarians voted in the second round in the 114 (out of 176 total) single-seat districts in which no candidate obtained a majority in the first round on 9 April. Nearly all the 114 contests today were straight one-on-one runoffs between a candidate of the Socialist party of incumbent Prime Minister Ferenc Gyurcsany and a candidate of the main opposition party, the Alliance of Young Democrats (Fidesz) of former Prime Minister Viktor Orban.

    On 9 April, in addition to the first round of voting in single-seat districts, voters also cast party-list votes. The Socialists narrowly won a plurality of these votes: 43.2% to 42% for Fidesz.

    The Socialists are currently governing in coalition with the Alliance of Free Democrats, and the two parties are cooperating in these runoffs. The Free Democrats won 6.5% of the list votes, giving the incumbent parties 49.7% of the vote. The Socialists and Free Democrats need to win most of the single-seat districts at play today to remain in government. If they do, it will be the first time in five post-communist elections that the incumbent government was returned to power. (If all you care about is the result, scroll to the bottom of the post.)

    The Hungarian electoral system is mixed-member, and it is sometimes erroneously placed in the mixed-member proportional (MMP) category. In fact, it is more parallel and majoritarian than it is MMP. However, it is not strictly a parallel system, either. In a parallel system–such as Japan’s–seats are allocated to parties in the nominal tier of single-seat districts (SSDs) and the tier of PR seats independently.* A party adds its proportional share of the list-tier seats to however many SSDs it has won. Under MMP–as in Germany and New Zealand–a party’s aggregate total of seats is based on its party-list votes, and it wins however many list-tier seats it needs to augment its SSDs won in order to equal its total aggregate proportional share. (This aggregate PR share can be determined regionally or nationally, depending on the system.)

    If we look at the 2002 Hungarian election, it is easy to see where the assumption that it is MMP comes from: The outcome was close to proportional. The Socialists won 42.0% of the party-list votes, which amounted to 47.4% of the above-threshold list vote. Their seat total was 48.1%. The runner up Fidesz had 41.1% of the party-list votes and 46.3% of the above-threshold vote, and won 47.2% of the seats. This is a nearly proportional result. So, why is it not MMP?

    Consider the 1990 election.** Same rules, other than a change in the level of the threshold required to win any list seats (4% then, 5% now). In that election, the leading party was the Hungarian Democratic Forum (MDF), with 24.7% of the party-list vote. Fully 16% of the vote was cast for parties that failed to clear the threshold, so the MDF actually had 29.4% of the effective PR vote. Yet it won 42.5% of the total 386 parliamentary seats. Not very proportional!

    In the more fragmented party environment of Hungary’s first post-communist election, the MDF was grossly over-represented in the nominal tier, winning 114, or 64.8%, of the 176 single-seat districts (despite only 23.9% of the votes cast in that tier in the first round). It just so happens that the 114 seats it won is roughly equivalent to its party-list share of the vote (after discarding the below-threshold votes). So, if Hungary had MMP, how many list seats would the MDF have won in 1990? Zero. It already had its full aggregate proportional share on account of doing so well in the nominal tier.

    So, we see Hungary’s system is not MMP. So it must be parallel, right? No. Were it parallel, the MDF would have won around 29.4% of the list PR seats and added these to its 114 nominal-tier seats. 29.4% of the 210 available list seats would be 62 (rounding). The MDF would have won 176 seats, or more than 45% of the total. In the actual allocation, it won only fifty list seats (23.8%). In other words, the Hungarian allocation process is neither fully compensatory, like an MMP system, nor completely parallel. It is partially compensatory.

    The Hungarian electoral system is mechanically quite complex. However, in its actual workings, it is fairly straightforward. The nominal and list tier seats are allocated in parallel in the sense that the number of seats won in the nominal tier has no bearing on the number of list seats it will win. However, a party’s success in the nominal tier affects the total number of votes that will actually enter into the proportional allocation. The way this works is that any first-round votes that are cast for parties in the first round of nominal-tier district races in which the party is not the ultimate victor (in one round or two) are added to the party’s list total.

    In this way, parties that are less successful in the nominal tier will actually win a share of list seats that is greater than their share of list votes. Yet they are not necessarily fully compensated–as they would be under MMP–because the number of seats already won at the nominal tier is not deducted from the aggregate PR total to determine a party’s number of list seats.

    By 2002, the party system had mostly aggregated into two large blocs, one centered around the Socialists and the other around the Fidesz. Although parties other than top two are permitted to keep their candidates in the second round (as long as they reach 15% in the district), they usually withdraw in favor of their prospective coalition partner. The end result is that most of the unused votes for one major party are counterbalanced by the unused votes for the other, and thus the overall seat outcome is quite proportional. However, given the mechanics of the electoral system, proportionality is not at all guaranteed. And precisely because proportionality is not guaranteed, the electoral system encouraged the rather fragmented party system at the time of the collapse of communism to aggregate into two blocs–just as any properly functioning majoritarian electoral system will do. (And as the more typical “majoritarian” system–the British and Canadian-style plurality system–often fails to do.)

    While it is a very complex system, it has produced its own version of “the best of both worlds”: representation (even quite proportional) for multiple political parties, but two clear blocs permitting stable government between elections and regular alternation in government at elections if the opposition gains sufficient votes at the expense of the incumbents.

    PRELIMINARY RESULT:
    At EuroTrib, DoDo is following the counting of the second-round results, and it looks like the Socialists and their neo-liberal partner, the Free Democrats, have won 65 of the 110 districts in which there were runoffs. Added to 34 won by the Socialists in the first round, that would be 56% of the nominal-tier. They should wind up with right around 200 seats*** once the “unused” vote adjustment referred to above is undertaken on the list vote and the national list seats are allocated. They will retain their narrow majority overall, and the result will once again be quite proportional, as after the below-threshold party-list votes are discarded, the two parties had 52.15% of the party-list vote. But once again, the result will be proportional only because the main parties work in two big blocs, and the main parties work in two big blocs only because the system is majoritarian.


    Footnotes

    *The party-list PR system in Hungary is itself two-tiered, but I will ignore that complication here. After parties’ list votes are adjusted via the procedure explained here, proportional allocation is carried out in that PR “tier” as if the country were a single national district with a magnitude of 210. This portion of the electoral system is a very typical European PR system. It is the relationship between the nominal tier and PR allocation that is atypical even for mixed-member systems–in fact, sui generis.

    ** As reported in Richard Rose, Neil Munro, and Tom Mackie, Elections in Central and Eastern Europe since 1990. Glasgow: University of Strathclyde Studies in Public Policy, 1998.

    *** BBC is reporting:

    The governing coalition has taken 209 of the 386 parliamentary seats.

    That would be around 54%, on 52.2% of the above-threshold vote for the two parties–a slight majoritarian bonus, but not much. A bit more than in 2002, perhaps because the center-right bloc was less coordinated this time. In fact, the MDF leader was claiming she would join a coalition only if she were the PM (fat chance, given 5% of the party vote!). Such a stance may have resulted in less willingness of their voters to turn out in favor of Fidesz candidates in the runoff. That would be consistent with reports (see the EuroTrib link above) that turnout was down in the runoffs this time (unlike in 2002).

    Propagation: Seeds & scions (13)


    Fruits and Votes grafted Electoral reform and assembly-size reduction in Hungary?
    Fruits and Votes grafted Confidence vote in Hungary
    Fruits and Votes grafted Violent protests in Hungary. Hungary experienced its “longest and darkest night” since the fall of communism when violent protests were sparked by anger over the revelation of remarks, taped before April’s elections, in which the prime minister admitted falsifying budget statistics.

    13 ideas sprouting »

    1. I defer to you as to whether Hungary’s partially-compensatory mixed-member system’s glass is half-full or half-empty.

      However, your argument that, in 1990, MDF had 29.4% of the effective PR vote yet it won 42.5% of the seats reminds me that in Scotland, with what looks like a fully-compensatory MMP model, Labour got 38.8% of the seats last time with only 29.3% of the votes. That’s because, in four of Scotland’s eight regions, the seven list MSPs weren’t enough for proportionality, but the other regions weren’t adjusted to correct this, because each region is self-contained, not linked to the others. A fluke? The same thing happened in the same four regions in the previous election.

      When does MMP become MMP-lite? We in Canada very seriously need a definition. Some people think they can add 27 or 23 compensatory seats to a 107-seat Ontario house and call it MMP.

      Seed planted by Wilfred Day — 23 April 2006 @ 18:27

    2. Wilf, Marty and I anticipated that question in that well-thumbed book of ours that you have! As long as the list seats are allocated in a compensatory manner, it is MMP, even if the number of available compensation seats is low. Just as Spain is PR despite not being very proportional in actual outcomes, due to many quite small-magnitude districts, Scotland’s MM system is clearly MMP (or perhaps that should be “MMp”!).

      The reason for low proportionality in (past) Hungarian elections is the absence of fully compensatory allocation, not the magnitude.

      Seed planted by MShugart — 23 April 2006 @ 19:58

    3. “As long as the list seats are allocated in a compensatory manner, it is MMP,” but this is a frustrating definition. In an MMM system with 50% list seats, it is half-proportional. If party A wins 38% of the vote and 60 of the 100 SSD seats, it will end up with 49% of the MPs. Yet if the Jenkins proposal, which you describe with almost British understatement as “not highly proportional,” would give the opposition 15% of the total as compensatory seats, that gives Party A 60 of the 118 seats, 51%. So 50/50 MMM is more proportional than 15% MMP, or should I say MM-not-highly-P. If a rotten apple smells worse than an over-ripe gingko fruit, but I say “it’s still an apple,” will you eat it?

      Seed planted by Wilfred Day — 23 April 2006 @ 20:42

    4. Nice work, Matthew. As for the whole site, well, I’m flabbergasted.

      Seed planted by Mike — 23 April 2006 @ 22:32

    5. Wilf, if you are asking me, as a political-reformer, would I like the type of “MMp” that Jenkins proposed, I would say no. If you ask me as a political scientist, is that MMP, I would say yes.

      And, as a reformer again, would I prefer Jenkins over what the USA and UK have today? YES!

      Seed planted by MShugart — 24 April 2006 @ 07:57

    6. Just read an interesting paper at the Midwest conference by Susumu Shikano that used agent-based modeling to look at the “contamination” idea in MM systems. The punchlines were many, but one interesting observation was that Germany (but not the East), Japan, and New Zealand were all moving fast toward ENP(s) of 2, primarily because the two largest parties finished 1-2 in nearly every SMD. He compared that to the UK (and could have used Canada or India), where “domination” by the two largest parties is much lower and falling. It seems that the PR tier provides a pressure-relief valve for voters who prefer smaller parties, and clears the district field for big-party domination. In pure SMD, the only route to seats for small parties (and, hence the only basis on which to form viable small parties) is through regional strength and district wins.

      The next question is whether the open field for SMD domination by the two biggest parties allows those parties to be less moderate than they might have to be otherwise, or if it in fact encourages them to obsess about the “median voter” that much more.

      Seed planted by Mike — 24 April 2006 @ 10:17

    7. As a reformer would I prefer Jenkins over what Ontario and Canada have today? Yes, and I would even prefer Japan’s MMM over FPTP. I just wouldn’t call either one of them MMP, because I want proportional representation, and neither MMM nor MMP-lite are proportional enough to qualify as proportional representation.

      Seed planted by Wilfred Day — 25 April 2006 @ 11:43

    8. neither MMM nor MMP-lite are proportional enough to qualify as proportional representation.

      MMM, a la Japan, is manifestly not proportional representation, by either the institutional definition or the outcome.

      “MMP-lite,” i.e. the Jenkins Commission UK proposal, would not be proportional representation in the literal sense of representing parties proportionally. It would be, however, MMP in the institutional-design sense of allocating the (very small number of) PR seats in compensatory fashion rather than in parallel. They key is in that small number of PR seats, relative to the total of FPTP seats, in any given allocation region.

      Well, it is a dead proposal, anyway. And, from Wilf’s post, it seems that the most Jenkins-like proposal to emerge since Jenkins itself–that of Quebec’s government–may be on life support. Good!

      Seed planted by MShugart — 25 April 2006 @ 12:47

    9. Well, we’re very worried that Jenkins will rise again in Ontario.

      Quebec’s draft bill at least has 40% list seats. It’s MMP, all right, but with the world’s highest threshold. Paul Cliche, Quebec’s leading electoral reformer, was so outraged in December 2004 that he declared the Minister had “transformed the mixed system he had announced into a majoritarian model equipped with a timid compensation. His preliminary draft is so watered down that he finds himself inventing a new voting system that exists nowhere else in the world. . . The German province of Schleswig-Holstein tried to impose a threshold of 7.5% but a court declared it unconstitutional. Faced with this fact, Bavaria gave up a plan to impose a threshold of 10% at the regional level.” In his next blast he called it a new semi-proportional system “unique in the world, which we could describe as majoritarian compensatory.”

      But in Ontario there will be a real temptation to keep the present 107 Single Seat Districts and add 23 or 27 compensatory seats, right down in Jenkins territory: MMP-lite, not real MMP at all.

      Seed planted by Wilfred Day — 25 April 2006 @ 18:21

    10. What would happen if the US came up with a mixed system? We the American voters deserve better than our lousy plurality system. Blah! That’s why I think we should come up with a different type of mixed system. The USA has used and still uses, although in the local level, STV and AV. But I think it would be a mistake if we only had these 2 to make a mixed system. There would be a need to use list PR, hopefully open list or flexible list. Could we probably come up with such a great system? Not saying it’s perfect but at least the results would be more proportional. The MMP could work in the USA but if you’re not careful you could mix the worst of both worlds and have everybody unhappy. Parallel is semi- proportional, since the wasted votes in the district level won’t be compensated by the list seats. But I like the idea of creating a unique mixed system. Think about this: say 50% of the members elected in SMDs using AV, 30% of the members elected in MMDs using STV and 20% of the members elected in regional and national lists (although the nº of national seats would have to be small) and the wasted votes in the district level are compensated. Give it some thinking!!

      Seed planted by Derek Gorman — 04 May 2006 @ 14:18

    11. Violent protests in Hungary.

      Hungary experienced its “longest and darkest night” since the fall of communism when violent protests were sparked by anger over the revelation of remarks, taped before April’s elections, in which the prime minister admitted falsifying budget statistics.

      Scion grafted by Fruits and Votes — 19 September 2006 @ 15:35

    12. Confidence vote in Hungary

      The purpose of the confidence vote is for the PM to reinforce his own authority: forcing his own rank-and-file MPs to back him or to vote against their own government. Gyurcsany leads a pre-election coalition that won a clear majority of parliamentary seats in April.

      Scion grafted by Fruits and Votes — 06 October 2006 @ 06:52

    13. Electoral reform and assembly-size reduction in Hungary?

      Hungary may be in the process of simplifying its overly complex system and reducing its overly large assembly to match the estimates of the cube-root law.

      Scion grafted by Fruits and Votes — 16 February 2009 @ 17:44

    RSS feed for comments on this post.

    TrackBacks

    To graft a scion to this planting, please use the following URL:
    http://fruitsandvotes.com/blog/wp-trackback.php?p=705
    (Non-MT bloggers click here to send pings.)

    Grafted scions that are not compatible with this planting's stock will die or be pruned out by the Orchardist.

    About the comment form

    Please note that the name you enter below and the first several words of your comment will appear on the right sidebar of the blog's front page, under "Propagation." New propagators might want to look at the comment policy.

    Please do not enter long URLs into the seedbed. Either mark them up using html hyperlinks or convert them to a "tiny URL." Thank you!

    Seedbed

    The soil is ready for planting:

    `

    FRUIT FEEDS
    PROPAGATION
    Recent comments.

  • Does STV have anything to do with absence of “free votes” in Ireland? (13)
    • JD: Tom: So you mean primaries as practised in the US. I don’t think primaries are understood to include this provision anywhere else, even...
    • Alan: What Tom said, except that I’d add that the major parties in Australia have a habit of subverting their own rules by imposing...
    • Tom Round: JD, because a government body has an electoral roll stating that “These people are registered supporters of the Democratic Party,...
    • JD: Tom, I’m not sure I understand why primaries the secret ballot. Alan, how is that different from a (closed) primary?
    • Alan: I’m not a fan of primaries, for the reasons Tom states. I am a fan of requiring parties to nominate candidates by a ballot of all party...
    • Tom Round: It would indeed be ironic if one reason discouraging parties from allowing free votes was an electoral system that could enable voters...
  • BC election 2013 (8)
    • Chris: The federal Liberal party hate the Conservatives more than they hate the NDP. They think Trudeau fil will get them a majority government,...
    • Ed: Its been explained to me that BC politics seems complicated, but is actually pretty simple: everyone gangs up against the NDP, but the...
    • MSS: I am struck by the degree of malapportionmen t in BC. For instance, the Peace River South winner’s 46.4% was only 3,904 votes, whereas...
    • MSS: The Green Party won the Oak Bay-Gordon Head seat, with 40.1%. It was not close, with incumbent Liberal Ida Chong having only 29.7% and the NDP...
    • MSS: I guess this is why they still have actual elections with actual voters casting actual ballots! How could the pollsters be so wrong?
    • Vasi: Well that was surprising! Once again, the polls in a Canadian election were off, and the incumbents do much better than expected.
    • Tom Round: BC: where a 39% sub-plurality is enough to elect a government for five years (absolute majority of seats, no upper house) but a 57%...
    • JD: Oh, how different (and more interesting) things would have been had STV been approved…
  • CROSS-POLLINATION

    FRUITS

    morn_blms_corralito.jpg

    The Fruit Blog (Fruit & fruit breeding)
    Daley's Fruit Tree Blog
    Orchards Forever
    The Orchard Keeper
    The Ethicurean
    The Jew and the Carrot
    Small farms ("real people & real food")
    Life begins at 30 (Farmers markets, etc.)
    Banana
    Festival of Trees
    Rare Fruit News Online
    Cloudforest Cafe


    VOTES

    bulgaria_protest copy

    Comparative democracy

    Psephos (Adam Carr's data archive)
    Electoral Panorama
    World Elections
    African Elections Database
    M. Herrera's Electoral Calendar
    Electoral Geography (Data archive)
    Michael Gallagher's data archive
    Election Finance (Blog, data archive)
    IFES
    Election Law (Rick Hasen)
    VoteLaw (Edward Still)
    Ballot Access News

    Electoral and Political Reform

    The FairVote Blog (US)
    Make my vote count (UK)
    Wilf Day (Canada)
    democraticSPACE (Canada)
    Citizens Assembly Blog (dormant)


    POLITOLOGY

    Blogs of political analysis

    PoliBlog
    Arms and Influence (dormant)
    Outside the Beltway
    Political Science Weblog (abstracts)
    Ideological Cartography (Adam Bonica)
    Frontloading HQ (Josh Putnam)
    FiveThirtyEight
    Vote View (Keith Poole)
    The Monkey Cage
    A Plain Blog About Politics (Jonathan Bernstein)
    Political Arithmetik (dormant)
    Polls & Votes
    Pollster.com
    Polysigh
    Reflective Pundit
    Rustbelt Intellectual
    Simon Jackman
    The semi-presidential one
    Josep Colomer
    Chapel Hill Treehouse (dormant)
    Political Behavior (dormant)
    Dart-Throwing Chimp
    Countries at the Crossroads (Freedom House blog)
    Jacob T. Levy

    REGIONAL ANALYSIS

    Canada

    The Mace
    ThreeHundredEight
    Crawl Across the Ocean
    Idealistic Pragmatist

    Europe

    Centre for European Politics
    Dr Sean's Diary
    A Fistful of Euros
    Political Reform (Ireland)
    UK Polling Report
    British Politics & Policy (LSE)

    Latin America

    Bloggings by boz
    Two Weeks Notice

    S.W. Asia & E. Mediterranean & N. Africa

    Informed Comment Global Affairs
    Lisa Goldman
    Michael J. Totten
    Yaacov Lozowick
    Marc Lynch (@FP)
    Ahwa Talk

    Africa

    La Constitution en Afrique

    E. Asia

    Frozen Garlic (Taiwan elections)

    New Zealand

    Kiwiblog
    No Right Turn

    OTHER SOCIAL SCIENCE BLOGS

    Crooked Timber
    Statistical Modeling
    Social Science Statistics
    Cold Spring Shops
    Marginal Revolution
    Brad DeLong
    Greg Mankiw

    SUN & MOON

    CURRENT MOON

    NEWS

    ABC

    BBC

    CBC

    Democracy Now!

    Deutsche Welle

    El Tiempo

    Guardian

    Haaretz

    Hindustan Times

    The Independent

    Irish Times

    NZ Stuff

    RFE/RL

    ORGANIZATIONS

    About/disclaimer

    California Rare Fruit Growers

    Center for Voting and Democracy

    Californians for Electoral Reform

    Society for American Baseball Research

    Link TV

    SCION EXCHANGE

    HARVESTS
    ORCHARD SERVICES

    Powered by WordPress